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with five hookers. now the attention is all on the pie and smeand especially by murdoch's wife. thanks for being with us. more politics are ahead with al sharpton. >> grand bargain or grand illusion? tonight, washington may be getting closer to a deal on the deficit. but is it a deal worth having? let's make sure it has shared sacrifice. and congressman under fire for his attack, he says he's not sorry. plus, there's more to the story. the more impact migraine headaches may have had on michele bachmann's job performance. and rush limbaugh, hot air. hits a new high. his latest attack on big government is our con job of the day. welcome to the show, i'm al
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sharpton. tonight's lead, are we closer to a deal or disaster? president obama and house speaker john boehner may be nearing a deal for a new grand bargain on debt limit. the president is meeting with democrats right now at the white house. presumably to talk about the deal. but any agreement would have to get past the tea party republicans in the house. and democrats say, they have a problem. >> the loudest shrillest voices from the republican party are not leaders but tea party extremists. >> they group of ideal ogs have grabbed the reigns and refuse to let go. it is the group who alone wants to drive the car off the cliff. >> but now, even boehner is saying republicans must compromise.
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>> i believe congress must act before august 2nd and i hope we are prepared to do that. at the end of the day, we have v a responsibility to act. if the united states of america's debt rating gets downgraded, every interest rate in america will go up. >> joining me now is republican congressman tom coal from oklahoma. first of all, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> let me ask you first. do you think, i mean, there is serious. this is beyond the politics and the screaming back and forward. we're 12 days out from the august 2nd deadline. do you think the economy will suffer if the debt ceiling is not raised, sir? >> yeah, i actually do, reverend sharpton. i think this very serious time and the united states never failed it pay its bills in 235 years. i think if we failed now it would have negative consequences for the economy. >> you heard boehner, your speaker, the speaker of the
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house say, these consequences are gave and you've heard everybody say there must be shared sacrifice. why is it so hard to come to an agreement on shared sacrifice. which means it has to come from the upper income levels as well as working poor. not just the working and the poor class opinion i mean, what is the prob problem with dealing with revenues as well as dealing with some of the entitlement programs? >> i think we will deal with revenues eventually. but part of the problem is here through the call. the president put kut a deal last year on taxes that were supposed to last two years. it is hard to come in july and change a deal that was not supposed to be looked at for another 18 months. most of the problem we have is a spending problem. even if the pred got everything he asked for in tax increases, he would still have to do 90% of this deal in terms of entitlement we form and spending
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reductions. we have to focus on that now. it is actually the toughest part to do. we have the opportunity to make significant progress on that. negotiations have put some things on the table that both sides agree aught to be cut. seems to me we ought to get that done and move on. >> if you look at this as a pie. if you looked at what the tax cuts that president bush put through, if you look at what that -- just that part is, you deal with $424 billion, you're not trying to act like that's not a significant part of the deficit. >> it is actually a very significant part. but remember, president obama, democrats, accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 59% of the people. so they've actually said number one one most of the tax cuts weren't for the wealthy and we have accepted that. there is no proposal to accept bush tax cuts that i have heard from the democrat, certainly from the president. >> we have heard the president say he would not extend the bush
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tach cuts any further. but if there is no problem then why is your side of the aisle, why the party balking then? why are they backing up on tax cuts, shared sacrifice is shared sacrifice. >> we're not backing up again. we made our position abundantly clear but again the president agreed that all of the bush tax cuts should be extended for two years in december. that's six months ago. >> the president said that he would extend the tax cuts to get the unemployment insurance. what i'm asking you -- >> he didn't want to raise taxes. >> congress plan, we can talk about this -- we can talk about december or talk about tonight. we are 12 days out. this country could default and we need to be able to strike a balance here that would save the country. your own speaker is saying there's got to be some compromise. is it that you can't get tea party members? is it that you can't get some let's look at at quote that you said yourself, sir, maybe this is the problem. this is what you said in the
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l.a. times. it's inconceivable, some of the members who haven't been here, don't appreciate how much john boehner has gotten them. i mean, you seem like you are frustrated some of your crowd is being inflexible. let's be honest, we're too close to the enl here not to put it all on the table. >> you either trust your negotiators or you don't. i trust john baner is negotiate a fair and good deal. he is yet to come back with a deal he thinks is appropriate. i do agree. he is a reasonable guy. a master negotiators, an excellent legislator. so let's give limb a clans to do his job. but again, he will be the first to tell you. he never voted for a tax increase. he agrees this is a spending problem and entitlement reform problem. those are the areas we ought to focus on. nobody thinks you ought to raise taxes in the middle after down economy and that's what you've
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got. >> nobody who is extending tax cuts is raising taxes is lowering taxes. >> are the tea partiers reasonable? are they unreasonable? and will some of the senior members of the party and some who have been there a while like you, stand up and defend a compromise here? >> i'll wait and see what the deal is when it comes back. but i've been supportive of the speaker. i think he will bring us back a good deal. and if he does, i will certainly be supporting it. in terms of those tea party members. they actually are getting a big victory here. and frankly if they weren't here, it wouldn't be happening. there is the first debt ceiling where there will be spending cuts some of magnitude accompanying them. i give them both the present and particularly john boehner credit for that. it wouldn't happen without tea party members. he was elected unanimously as the republican leader. he had every republican vote for
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speaker. that is something leader pelosi couldn't do in the special election. i think the party is united behind the speaker. i think he will give us a deal and we'll be fine. >> i'm glad you sa said that congressman. every night i learn that from a republican. because you voted three times to raise the debt ceiling. >> i did. >> now you say this is the first time that it is doing something. so it just makes me wonder why you voted before. thank you congressman tom cole, republican from oklahoma. thank for your time. >> thank you. >> joining me now, is independent senator from vermont. bernie sanders. senator, you heard the republican congressman outnow. do you see any signes this party is willing to budge an inch? >> i'm not sure. but the bottom line is, it is not whether they are going to budge, it is about how the american people feel about it.
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when they talk about quote unquote, what is the problem, let me translate that into english. savage cuts into medicare, medicaid, education, environmental protection. when they talk about you can't do increase taxes right now, or what they are really talking about is making sure that millionaires and billion airs continue to enjoy the lowest effective tax rate in modern american history and corporations that make billions paying nothing in taxes. >> and an maining loop holes. >> exactly. >> as i told you, we are not talking about increasing taxes. we are talking about letting the tax cuts that they've been given and has not created jobs, has not done what they said it would do, let it run out. >> al, let's remind the people that on the flint:on, when you had taxes at 39%, we created for upper income people 22 million
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jobs. we have lowered taxes under bush. we lost 600,000 private sector jobs during eight-year period. so the trickle-down theory does make the rich, richer. the middle income people are working class people who have seen their incups go down. >> when you look at the polls where the american people are saying, even some polls credible polls, saying that even majority of republicans, must become revenue here. i mean, people get it. do they think people are stupid and that we can't see we didn't get the jobs or get the benefits that we were told these tax cuts would give us? >> what the polls tell us, every polly have seen, is the preferred way forward, for deficit reduction, is to ask the wealthy to pay more in taxes. >> exactly. >> now but when you talk about revenue, ie what's in the gang
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of six proposal for example, revenue could mean that you are telling somebody who makes $25,000 a year and ownes a home, that we will cut back on their home mortgage reduction and they have to pay more. we will have to tax their healthcare benefits. that's revenue too. when we talk about revenue, we have to be careful about what is being talked about. >> the devil is going to be in the details. i think you are absolutely right. the real question is how strong the democratic side is going to be. how strong the leadership is going to be at the table. and how bullied the republican leadership is by the tea party extremist. >> you know what? i think that what the people of this country have got to demand is that democrats stand strong and say, execution me. you're not going to cut social security. you're not going to get medicare. you're not going to cut medicaid. you are a going to bring the
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troops home sooner so we can save some money and lives there as well. in other words, they cannot just feel the pressure from the extreme right wing. the average american has to stand up for justice as well. >> what is the climbate in congress? are you saying that kind of backbone growing in the congress among the democrats? or are you seeing go along to get along? >> i just left and i will return to a meeting with ten other more progressive democrats to map out a strategy. there are some of us who want it stand up and fight back. i can't say that that's everybody in the democratic caucus. >> i mean, i don't understand how shared sacrifice could be only from seniors, only from veterans, only from students, only from those that need it the most. and those on the other side get more, more and more. and we call that shared
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sacrifice. >> because, al -- >> it would be a joke if it wasn't so tragic. >> because you have an epidemic of greed in the society. some people think a billion dollars isn't enough. they need even more. some people think five homes isn't enough. they need more an to hell with the children living in poverty. to hell with the people who are hungry. i could go on and on and on. but you're absolutely right. the greed out there is incredible. i'm eye frayed some people in congress are representing that greed at the expense of the vast majority of americans. >> and social security, when i'm talking to seniors who invested in seshl security that are watching us tonight, that are frightened, that are watching day by day saying what is going to me and why did i invest all of thighs these years? how can we look at these seniors
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in the face and explain this and say this is shared sacrifice. you have to give a little. when they have nothing to give. >> yes. so, you're not arguing with me. agree gree with you. >> senator sanders, thank you for your time this evening. ahead, the michele bachmann headache story. maybe getting worse. plus, congressman allen west fire under fire after calling a congresswoman vile and undespicable. and is rush feeling the heat? his latest conspiracy theory is our latest con job of the day. stay with well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. and try our deliciously refreshing v8 v-fusion + tea.
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>> the obama administration says there is no deal. but at this hour, democratic leaders are at the white house.
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>> zippidydoodah, zippidyyay. my oh, my what a wonderful day. >> john boehner singing this morning. maybe he thinks it is going, going his way. or maybe just having a light-headed moment. white house spokesman says there is no deal. >> there is in deal. we are not close to a deal. there is no progress to report. >> joining me now, former rnc
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chair and msnbc analyst, michael steele and washington post national political reporter, dana milbank. dana, where do negotiations stand right now? >> i wish they would invite me in the room, reverend but they tend not to. as you've been reporting, democrats on capital hill got a briefing from jack lou at omb today. they're not pleased what they've been saying is not true the president has basically entirely caved to the republican demands and not getting a guarantee of up front a tax increases in exchange for serious cuts to spending programs including entitlements. i can understand why the white house would be pushing back against that. that would be a disastrous cave-in for the white house. particularly at this point when they seem to have a descent amount of leverage in this. but they are walking that back. they are talking to the leaders.
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>> a lot of people, including me, were concerned with early reports. then i heard the president say this. let me play for you what he said on npr himself today. >> we have to make tough decisions on things like defense spending el arizona well as domestic spending but we also have to have more revenues. with that acknowledgement that we need a balanced approach, that republican leaders on capitol hill are going to be willing to engage in the kind of compromise that can resolve this problem. >> mr. steele, a balanced approach, we've got to have some revenues. republicans have got to be willing to compromise. >> yeah. >> i mean, can your party get it together and understand that they cannot put it all on grandma's back? >> well, yes and they're not. and i think to dana's point, the interesting thing about what the clip you just played of the
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president, is that he wasn't necessarily talking about right now. remember, there is now washington has come to the conclusion that this is going to be a two-step process. the first is to get something done by august 2nd and the second piece will get into the real deep substance of what the longer term effort is going to be. i think this is a very interesting, you know, challenge right now for the white house. as you noted, ef rand, they had the momentum going in to a few hours ago. i think a lot of folks in washington, particularly the progress ifs on the hill, are beginning -- they need to get their hair up a little bit and get a little concerned. republicans are also equally as concerned. they want to know for sure whether there is a deal, some level of revenue in the first part of this or something well talk about afterwards. both sides are a little nervous right now. >> let's be serious. have you freshman tea partiers, whether it is now or later or the 2nd of august or august of
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'12. they won't support ending the tax cuts. you will deal with people that have bullied your party into a point where they are inflexible. they are going to protect the billion airs and corporate jets who no matter what. it has nothing to do with the debt. let's be honest with each other. >> well, since we're being honest, let's be honest. you have v have folks on your side, reverend, that say they will not support anything near -- yourself articulated this, the entitlements that affect grandma, as you like to put it thp both sides have respective corners that are locked in. >> dana -- >> speaker baner is trying to move it to the middle. >> if he is saying i would choose grand ma over corporate jets, he is right. i've been accused of worse. but how do you think they come out of this dealing with those on each side that have an
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extreme in terms of the tea party and some democrats that will say, no matter what, we've got to see revenues and we have to protect these entitlement programs? >> well, there is just a hint of an opening here for the conservatives. they all worship at the alter of grover norquist who is the enforcer on taxes. in an interview of my colleagues, he said if you don't renew the tax cut that does not count as tax increase, they would not be eye lating the pledge. it seems to give them a little bit of wiggle room which is consistent of us being described in this deal here. it is possible we have seen a pivot an ael all of the heat has been on the republicans. now you actually will hear progressive getting angry about what the president has done. >> mr. steele, are you ready to concede that many of your colleagues worship at the altar of grover norquist? and i'm quoting dana.
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>> i appreciate that, you know, dana's religious reference there. but the reality of it is that with or without grover norquist, there are a lot of republicans consistent with our platform and more importantly our philosophy going back to our founding that talks about a free enterprise system, free market system. and so those things that touch on taxes and spending, really do matter to folks and that is clear as we discussed before reverend in this past election. >> we see a problem, michael steele, and dana, when this was all over. and the republicans and democrats go back to their districts. and a few months stand for reelection. people will say, where are the jobs? there's all of the fiscal language, all of the technical its. the tea party people promised jobs last year. democrats need to provide jobs.
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at the end of the day, where are the jobs? is that not going to be the problem for both sides here? >> go ahead, dana. >> it is a problem mostly for the incumbent president, here. had he succeeded in this debate, and he may yet succeed in putting the republicans back on the hill, had the republicans forced the country into default, mitch mcconnell himself said republicans would share the blame for the bad economy with obama. if he gets them a way out of this now i think the joblessness problem will be more on obama's should irs than before. >> wouldn't it with be a hard case for the republicans to say, we picked up 16 seats and we couldn't provide jobs. how do you defend that? the great election of 2010 produced nothing but jobs for 61 republicans? >> i think you're absolutely right. i think the equation here is not just the president. it is also the republicans elected last fall who ran on
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that promise of creating jobs. and so i think, while we deal with this particular crisis right in front of us, the longer term one is sitting at a number called 9.2%. by this time next summer, someone better have made a move on that number, otherwise both parties will have a little to pay for come that election. >> somebody freeze that tape. because you can use that in a commercial somewhere next year. former rnc chair says not just the president, it is the republicans too. and i got him it say it. thank you dana milbank and michael steele. thank you very much for joining me. ahead, russia's latest target. those infamous liberal weathermen. you won't believe the hot air he is blowing now. take a look, folks. that's rick perry in cowboy mode. chaps and all. but is the real texan ready for
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prime time? we're taking a hard look at his record in the lone star state. stick around.
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>> rush limbaugh thinks the heat index is a conspiracy cooked up by the left. that's our con job of the day. a heat wave is baking big parts of the country. that has a lot of people talking about the humidity. now the heat index tells people what it feels like when heat and
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humidity are added together. rush limbaugh thinks the heat index is made up by the government. >> they're playing games with us on this heat wave. heat index manufactured by the government. they tell what you it feels like when you add the humidity in there. 116. when is the last time the heat index was reported as an actual temperature? it hasn't been. but it looks like they are trying to get away with doing that now. >> wow. i wonder what he thinks of the wind chill. now, rush seems to be the only one hot and bothered by this. the index has been used across the country for decades, including just yesterday by fox news meet ol jif. >> big story here martha, they have been seeing heat indexes like this for days. very dangerous, certainly. >> does this mean fox is in on
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the liberal conspiracy too? even if they are, i don't think it will stop rush from using the weather to suit his agenda. >> rise in global temperature equals colder winters. people used to buy this. the earth, as i have just explained to you, is cooling. it las been cooling since 1997. i dent care what people think. they know this isn't global warming. >> rush limbaugh doesn't sweat the facts when it comes to the summer heat waves. that's our con job of the day. ahead, michele bachmann's political headaches are getting worse. and they're not going away just yet either. will they follow her along the campaign trail? and allen west's latest excuse for his despicable comments. i'm not convinced. you won't believe what he is saying now. that's next.
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today republican congressman allen west is refusing to apologize for the e-mail he sent democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. west called her, quote, vile, unprofessional, and despicable and wrote that she's not a lady. but west says, don't expect him to say sorry any time soon. >> that's not happening. >> i do have the right to stand up and defend my honor and make sure that this type of activity does cease. >> with me now, is democratic congresswoman gwen moore from wisconsin. she and other congresswomen are calling for the gop leadership to condemn west's word. also, here is jonathan capeart, editorial writer for the washington post and msnbc con tributor. ressn west in theost
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today. congresswoman, let me ask you you, you and i have been in some battles together. why do you sense he didn't do anything wrong despite the fact that some of his colleagues in the wcongress, women, are offended by what he said. >> hello, reverend sharpton. so great being with you again. i have no idea why this man does not apologize. had he uttered those words on the floor rather than in an e-mail, the words have been quote unquote taken down. there would have been a long discussion and his words, he would have been reprimanded right there on the floor. you know, it seems to me that had he had any experience being an elected official before he came to this party, he would have realized how important civility and cordiality between the two parties is necessary to
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get anything done. i think he has really started his career out on a very rocky road. we did approach the leadership because he chose e-ma rht across the leadership. >> he kind of distributed it. i think one of the things w, congresswoman moore, that he was responding to congresswoman schultz, would vote against medicare and social security, that from fr what i understand, she wasn't calling him names or getting any personal way at all, this was about policy. he's the one that made this about name calling. >> you have said it very well, reverend sharpton. our rules don't allow us to bring in person amounts. she was simply commenting on the
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geography and in that region before wr there are a lot of older adults. they are really questioning why someone would defend medicare, which is a great in that area. when west said i had to defend my honor, it certainly is not about his honor. we are facing huge cuts in medicare, medicaid, social security, the programs that literally have kept elders out of poverty, we are having a huge debate regarding tying this vote to a debt ceiling vote. which could literally bring our financial system to a collapse, increase interest rates to a gar gargantuan amount. >> he is defending his honor when his honor was not in question. he would have done himself a
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better service if he would have defended his position, if he can defend it. jonathan wab, the thing that bothered me more, is that he decided to go in further and bring in race. the reason that's interesting to me, is that guys like me who fight civil rights causes, are always accused of the kras card. here, nobody is talking about anybody's race or gender but him. listen to this. >> people who are black conservatives, what we do is we totally invalidate the liberal social welfare policies and programs. i'm the threat because i'm the guy that got off of their 21st century plantation. >> so let me get this right. when he brings up race or herman cain brings up race or clarence thomas talks about lynching, that's fine. if when we deal with cases ever
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legitimate race subjects -- >> this so harmful reverend sharpton. >> yes. let me let onjonathan respond, i will come back to you congresswoman. >> he came up with this the moment kroeshts controversy started. i think by bringing up the race card, he is bringing up controversy that he started. the congresswomenwoman was giving talking points against cut cap and balance, the cut cap and balance bill that they voted on earlier this week. anyone who is paying attention to the debate knows what she is talking about. she didn't call him out by name. she said the gentleman from florida. she pointed out the demographics of his district. she request questioned how he could support something like this. he gez off the deep end with this e-mail. >> she called him, what?
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the gentleman from florida and that offends from his honor? >> right. he has to defend his honor. i said in my piece, the dude needs a xanax after reading that e-mail. and he does. i don't know what he gains or what benefits he gets by going toe to toe -- you know, going toe to toe with the chairperson of the democratic national committee may play well back in his district. >> maybe it is that he can't defend his position. sometimes when people raise issues you can't answer, it just makes you want to holler, throw up both your hands. congresswoman gwen moore and jonathan, thank you both. >> thank you. ahead, bachmann's new headache. she said those migraines won't keep her from getting the job done. but it turns out, they already have. and who is really running
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call now for your free medicare guide and information kit about aarp medicare supplement insurance plans, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. welcome back to the show. now to discuss some of the days biggest stories we bring on the power panel. joining us is university professor an msnbc political analyst dr. michael eric dyson. >> reverend sharpton. >> also with me, ms. maggie haberman. senior writer for politic why. and finally josh trevino from tfrm public policy foundation. first question, we have been hearing about the big headache in the bachmann campaign. the story of michele bachmann's migraines exploded earlier this
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week. and today, politico is reporting new details, including the fact they cause her to miss eight house votes last july and another full day of votes last may. the story is prompting questions from republican pundits and rivals. >> it's going to be important for her to get her doctors out there quickly to provide medical records. >> if you're going to be president of the united states, you have to do the job, everyday all the time. there is no realtime off in that job. >> now, dr. dyson, some said this is sexist. that they are doing this because she a s a woman. do you think that is legitimate? >> initially i must confess, i felt that context within these charges were brought up were for political advantage. karl rove, tim pawlenty and the
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like. on the other hand i think there are legitimate concerns and one must be open but them to suggest that yes, if these headaches indeed prove o to be a problem, then there are ways which you can reassure ourselves and her doctors can reassure us that you know, congresswoman bachmann can do her job and she would be able to carry forward. so the legitimate sphere on the one hand but i think a lot has been spun in a patriarchal and sexist fashion. >> josh, you are the conservative here. is this sexist or or legitimate? >> i'm not prone to charges of sexism pu but the initial caller daily story even did make me think it had the overtone of the delicate female who can't handle herself. she has had five children, fostered over a dozen more. she is on the national stage.
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i think she has proven she can handle the heat and handle the spotlight. frankly, someone myself who suffers from migraines, knowing what she has to go through. i can tell you it is not an impedement to lead a full life. >> since by talked about sexism, would from the two men on the power panel, let me talk to you maggie, who might have a word or two to say about this. aside from being the woman here tonight, politico, detailed actual votes that she missed and the day she missed. so now we are going now from just a broad brush to some specifics. what did the story say? >> it said exactly as you just said. he is missed eight house votes on one day and other day she was incapacitated and she missed other votes. it shows how she was hospitalized, how many times. i think this is in performance.
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that's where you start seeing legitimacy. there was a lot of people, and i think there was reason, the story seemed like blind quotes from disgruntled aides. there is a charge that people whisper about her constantly. this is way of throwing that out there. this said, i think she has serious points thfr she does have to address. >> now that the specific questions come out, we have you a letter from a doctor. but now she has to come up with more than a general doctor's note. >> that's right. >> because you raised some specific votes on specific days, that has to be addressed now. >> i think or the story won't go to bed. part of the party of her campaign, they haven't dealt with it all. there was a drip, dip, drip. there wag the politico story, then the doctor's report.
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so give us everything that's out there. at some point she will have to try to put this to bed. people in iowa are hearing this. >> it could back fire and give her martyr status. >> right. >> next question, does grover run the gop? no, not that grover. this grover. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. the tax enforcers in the gop for over a quarter century. he's gotten 234 house republicans, and 41 gop senators to sign his pledge not to raise taxes. he's the reason we see republicans saying, the same thing over and over again. >> we should not be raising taxes. >> now is not the time to raise taxes. >> i've never voted to raise taxes and i don't intend to. >> josh, isn't grover's no-tax pledge the reason we're in the mess that we're in with the debt
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talks right now? >> i don't think so at all. i think excessive federal spending is the reason we are in the mess we're in right now. but to answer your question, does foefr nor gift run the gop? i'm happy to give grover credit to do more than o any other single person. i'm here to tell you as a conservative and a republican, i'm happy on the idea of taxes to follow him. >> so ronald reagan was not a good president because he raised the taxes 11 times. . so you and grover would say, let's get away from ronald reagan's legacy? >> yeah, i'm just going to reflect quietly on irony of ronald reagan appearing on this show as an example of democratic left orthodoxy. i think it's wonderful. >> this is an example of republican hypocrisy. there is a difference when i'm pointing out hypocrisy, or i'm saying, i said you believe it --
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dr. dyson, if i said i came in the tradition of someone then i aught to be consistent with that person. am i right? i never -- >> i'm just going to wager, al, that grover norquist and are are more traditional than ronald reagan than anyone else on the show. >> the point is, if you subscribe to orthodoxy, imposed on the fashion that's fashion and ones to the line because you say you are legitimately faithful no that position. then yeah, if reason ronald reagan is scene of the modern revolution then have you a contradings. >> the fact of the matter is that ronald reagan raised taxes. we are just talking about stopping tax cuts. so we wouldn't even be in the reagan tradition. we would be talking about stabilizing taxes the way they were. he actually raised them. >> i think part of the reason you are seeing such popularity
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of the doctrine with members of their particularly party is that it resonates with people. people hear taxes, they are covering and consequently they don't look at what you're looking at. >> people shouldn't use things they can't live up to. thank you for great panel. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health.
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sometimes your instincts tell you when a man is right for the job. texans across the state know that rick perry is right for agricultural because he was born a leader. >> that is rick perry selling himself as the man for job in 1990. these kays, some republicans think the governor should ride his horse up to the white house. but they might want to take a closer look at his real record in texas. perry built up a deficit between 15 and $27 billion. he is now making huge cuts, like chopping $4 billion from education.
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and now, schools are suffering. for example in the fall, kids in keller texas school district will have to pay it ride the school bus. it will cost families $370 a year for the first child to ride the school bus. and $270 more for each additional child. but what's perry's plan to fix the economy? prayer. >> with the economy in trouble, communities in crisis and people adrift in a sea of moral relativism, we need god's help. that's why i'm calling on americans to pray and fast like jesus did. >> jesus? i believe in jesus. are you talking governor, about the jesus that st. matthews says, in his chapter, bring up unto me a little child because unless you can humble yourself like a child you